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Daničle Smadja
EU Ambassador to India
New Delhi
12th May 2010
Daničle Smadja is the EU
Ambassador to India. She was interviewed in Delhi on the 12th May 2010 by Fausto
Aarya De Santis
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What are the factors which create poverty?
The first two
things which come to my mind, since i am in India is 'Inclusion'. What
strikes me here is that even thought there is a very high economic growth
for many years but they do not manage to make the benefit of this growth
inclusive and as a result there are 400 million people under 1 dollar a
day. The second thing is education. So many people are uneducated, the
illiteracy rate is quite high. In addition to this there are also so many
disparities between people. There are other factors too, but inclusion and
education are the most important which come to my mind.
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issue
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Why should an EU citizen fund the education of the poor children in
India? How would this benefit her? I think that
supporting the education of a child is a wonderful objective, a wonderful
approach to defend human rights; because education is a fundamental right
of every child. The second
element is that the money has been worth spending for in 2003 there were
25 million children out of school in India. Thanks to the program of the
Government of India and the EU in 2009 there were only 8 million children
out of school. The third element
is that when a child is educated, when a teenage is going to college and
when out with a degree a student is getting a job; i don't think we should
think in terms of competitors. We should think in terms of wealth, in
terms of world economic growth. The more children are coming to the labor
market with a degree, with skills... then you make the world economy
run. Today there is so much interdependence between countries; it is
important that there is economic growth in India and china for when our
countries are lagging behind, and when they are in the middle of a crises
it is then important that other countries are the locomotive of the
economic growth. Whenever you give
money to somebody you have less for you; but you may have less now... but
it will bring you more tomorrow. And your child who is going to school in
europe, tomorrow might need the growth that an Indian child is going to
produce. In terms of
economic cooperation, today, we always have to look for win win
situations.
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issue 6 |
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What are the important areas of cooperation between India
and the EU? We have many types of project, but for simplicity let me
divide them in three. At first we have budget support at the central
level; this is the case for education and health. The second type is at
the state level by budget support, providing technical assistance and
transferring and exchanging our practices; and we have two state programs
right now, one with Rajasthan in the field of water and with Chhattisgarh
in health and education. At both, the national and state level, we are not
just signing the cheque, we are present in the policy making by helping
them with our experience, technical assistance and our models on how to go
about their policies. The third level is supporting financially the civil
society organizations; we regularly have projects with them. We also try
and organize the best synergies and compliment the three levels of
cooperation. As an example, when we work with NGOs in education we will
target the population which remains outside the main stream services, like
the tribal population or remote communities.
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What is your opinion on aid coming from an other country and an other
culture?
There has been a
lot of discussions over the last 5-7 decades about aid. The most
important element is to do what the government of the country we are
engaged in wants to do and has decided to do. We cannot impose policies,
we have to support the national policies of the country and respect the
obligations of the donor country. This doesn't mean that whatever they do
we sign the cheque. Every country has
to take charge of the development of their country. The effectiveness of
aid then comes from the capacity of the donor country to contribute to the
national policies and strategies and to make sure that whatever we are
contributing to has a chance of success. Then only we can bring an added
value by filling the financial gap (even if on a small scale), bring
expertise, experience and policies we use in Europe. You are with the WHAT
and i'm with the HOW... and until you don't know WHAT there is no way i
can help you on HOW to do it.
EU commitment towards Global Partnership for Development
The EU was very
committed towards the MDGs when they were put together in the UN. What we
have in mind with this Global Partnership for Development is that our
development assistance should always go hand-in-had and support the
national strategies and policies of the country. . We come with the
projection of our values, the european values, but we don't come with our
own model to impose; we come to support. Why do we do it
India? India has 400 million people under poverty, this represents a
quarter of the entire population around the world. Europe cannot turn a
blind eye to that.
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issue 5 |
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Can knowledge and social harmony be considered as resources?
Education is a
fundamental right and that is very important. If you say that social
cohesion is a resource to go up the economic ladder in the sense that it
has to be available for all and it everyone should have the possibility to
have it. Even though we
have a number of problems in Europe, even though we have a number of
disparities in our society; social cohesion has been for many years in the
heart of the architecture of the European Union. Social inclusion and
social coherence has been in the heart of Europe and European policies.
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issue 7 |
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Specific Questions for the Sarva
Shiksha Abhiyan |
Among the things she says, she introduces the SSA and gives number figures
of the contribution |
Sarva
Shiksha Abhiyan |
We are directly
putting money in the big envelope of the government. But this is not
limited in just signing a cheque to the government. We are a very
important party in a number of discussion of the steering committee which
is in charged of the implementation of the program. But we are also
helping in designing and monitoring the program. Through our presence we
can influence, but this does not mean imposing a model but offering our
experience, proposing technical assistance, showcasing are lesson learned
and also bad experiences from where they can learn and be a source of
inspiration. |
Sarva
Shiksha Abhiyan |